"House" In Da House: Talking To Hugh Laurie

After Fox's "House" press conference yesterday, a few of us went up to talk to Hugh Laurie afterward, and he delivered a pretty stunning insight into the secret of making his cranky and misanthropic character likable.

He started in an unexpected place, then went somewhere great: "One of my favorite moments in 'Star Trek' is when Captain Kirk looks out over the vast cosmos and says 'The three most beautiful words in any language are-', and of course your heart sinks because you think it's going to be 'I love you' or something, and he says, 'Please help me.' What a fantastic idea, that vulnerability and need is a beautiful thing. And actually House is a character in need - of human contact and some kind of redemption - and I think that 'Please help me' aspect is an important element of the show."

That's the kind of moment that we come here to California to get, when we manage to tap the deep thoughts of the creative minds whose work keeps us watching television. Of course, it's not always like that. You can also scroll down the blog a little way to see a picture of Laurie on the bumper cars at the Fox party last night.

Here in this item, let's start with the news we all expected, that Foreman and Chase and Cameron will all be back this season, despite their hasty exits from the hospital payroll in last season's finale. "It so obvious that everybody is back, and we struggled with how to do this," executive producer Katie Jacobs said, looking down the line of the cast. "And the truth is, everybody is back eventually. And everybody is back having changed and having different capabilities. ... To sort of express the change, we were thinking, well, maybe just Hugh and Lisa and Robert would come out first..."

As the season opens, though, House's three acolytes are working elsewhere...

...and House is sifting through 40 potential replacements. Cheery guy that he is, he makes them all wear numbers, like marathon contestants.

As Jacobs explained it, "In the first episodes, House is alone and he is solving cases by himself. And Cuddy is pissed and (Wilson) thinks he is losing his mind. And Cuddy will insist, and eventually win, that he hire a new team. And he will do it in a very House-ian way. So essentially the truth is over the first episodes he's going to call in all the resumes on his desk, it's a very large number, I think 40, a large number, and we're going to see who survives. We're going to play a  'House' version of 'Survivor.'

"We were on the phone with Fox, and we said, 'We're going to kind of play 'Survivor' with 'House,' and they said, 'Don't you mean you're going to play 'American Idol' with 'House?'"

Someone asked Laurie about his Emmy nomination for best actor and how he found out about it.

"I was asleep in, well I wasn't asleep when I found out about it, obviously that would not be possible," he said, showing some of his old Fry and Laurie wit. "I was in bed and the phone rings and you know, you get a piece of news, and it's a very thrilling way of waking up. And I also heard at the same time that the show had been nominated (for best drama) and it was a happy day. Happy day. And you know we are still-"

"We are still happy," said Lisa Edelstein, who plays Cuddy.

"Still slightly happy, actually," Laurie corrected her. "It may not look like it, but this is us slightly happy."

Some asked if he felt slighted when he wasn't nominated last year.

"I didn't - I didn't feel - good Lord no!" Laurie said, looking appalled at himself anyway. "I mean no one has any right at all to ever feel slighted-"

"Or entitled," Edelstein suggested.

"-or entitled in any way to anything. I think any of us would agree that simply to be, first, actors who have a job; secondly, to have a job with other actors whose work they enjoy and respect; to be doing scripts that we adore almost to the point of reverence. It's actually slightly unhealthy, you know, these blessings are so manifold," he said. "Our cup runneth over so that we have absolutely no business expecting or being crabby if we don't get some particular cherry on top. We've already got so many cherries on top of so many cherries that one more cherry is - I've exhausted that metaphor."

Laurie was asked about what happened when his former comedy partner Stephen Fry turned up on Fox's "Bones" as a therapist.

"Well, it was an absolutely fantastic experience for both of us, actually, to be, I mean - after 20-odd years of working together to wind up 8,000 miles away from where we started in two trailers that were only 50 yards apart was a very peculiar thing and a very enjoyable thing," Laurie said. "And yes, we looked back at some very happy days and did talk about it, actually, as we always do, in a vague kind of way, we talk about reconvening and carrying on where we left off. I don't know in what form, but I hope one day we will. Possibly on a stage, actually, that's our next thought."

Someone then asked Robert Sean Leonard why his character, Wilson, puts up with the exasperating Dr. House.

"At the risk of spreading even more wildfire rumors, I don't see what's so unattractive about House," Leonard said. "Maybe I've just been playing Wilson too long. (House) is extremely self-effacing, he's extremely funny, he's brilliant, he's scathingly honest, he's incredibly candid. What don't you like about him? ... I'm not sure what people mean. he's shocking and he's bold and he can be unnerving. But as a friend, I would seek out someone like that, I think."

Comments

[Kay]

Hugh Laurie is the most hilariously eloquent human being alive.

To The Powers That Be at Fox TV, PLEASE put House/Wilson together as a couple. Fans are going crazy all over the web trying to figure out a way to convince you to do this! Please stop teasing us and just go for it!

[house]

Kay,
that is a disgusting idea.

[Callie]

Sorry hun, i don't think House/Wilson will get "together". They are just friends and will stay just friends. I'm not saying it to be mean, it's just the way they will stay.

House Rules, Laurie Rules, Morrison Rules, Cameron Rules, House/Cameron rules.

House MD just rules.

[shemett]

House/Wilson is obvious love story line on the show.
I am with you, Kay!

Cameron/House will never be happen!

Cuddy/House will be only one hot night.

[shemett]

And the interview with RSL is not complete. I had read the whole part of it. He said : I am somehow atracted to him." Where is that here?

[brianna]

i can not wait to house to come back because chase and his girl friend are moving to the west it hot but i will take the heat a good thing is that all the cast would come back but not happy and i wonder that do house and DR Cuddy will date no the will not because the its house but 9/25/2007 is going to be great.

[JR]

I'm on the House/Wilson bandwagon.

Wilson is the only one who can keep up with House. He is also the one can understands how House thinks/works/feels. Cameron and Cuddy just don't have the right depth of relationship to make it work with House. Wilson does!

[mgp]

House and Wilson will absolutely not get together. I would hate that, and it's so not like them at all - they are crazy friends (Wilson is crazy to stay his friend, right? but that's b/c House is House) Remember how they couldn't even be good roommates??
I wanted Wilson and Cuddy to get together that one time, but House would be sooo jealous it would take up the whole show, so that can't happen either. House can never be with anyone for good, or didn't you all watch the last 2 years?! Cameron has been getting more annoying every episode, I don't really care what they do with her, although she's a good character.

[shemett]

To mpg.
"I would hate that, and it's so not like them at all - they are crazy friends (Wilson is crazy to stay his friend, right? but that's b/c House is House) Remember how they couldn't even be good roommates?? "
House just had tested Wilson whether Wilson could keeping person like him if some day they go live together. This was a great hint and I wonder that you missed up.
Or you wacthed House across lines/overlook, or you see wath you want:)
disgustingly or not, Katie Jacobs said that ever:"Do the writers or producers have a preference as far as who belongs together? I know Hugh Laurie has suggested that Jennifer Morrison is much too young for him, but do you guys see that one relationship is more or less right?
Katie Jacobs:No, I think that you know there are equal chances he could wind up with Cuddy or Cameron or someone new—or Wilson for that matter, which I love to play with."

[Lisa]

House/Cameron own.
and Hugh Laurie is hottttttt <33

[Kate]

I totally agree that House is damn fine (L)

[who is she>>>>>>_?]

Who is the girl on the end????

[just me...]

house - how exactly is house and wilson getting together a disgusting idea?

[JS]

House and Wilson getting together would ruin the show. I'd hate to see my favorite show go up in flames cause the fag community somehow views a house/wilson connection a victory for their lifestyle. So fags head on back to takin it in ass or muff diving, if thats your sport, and leave this quality show alone.

And fox if you're reading this I guarantee a house/wilson connection will sink this show in one season! Please don't attempt to cater to the flighty gay population.

[just me...]

funny how house wouldn't exist without the constant support, encouragement and friendship hugh laurie has enjoyed from a gay man since they met more than a quarter of a century ago. for a long time there was no laurie out there without fry, y'know. if you really feel the way you are saying there, i feel deeply sorry for you. i do, however, also feel deeply offended by that tripe and would kindly like to ask you to keep it to yourself from now own. btw - i'm straight, and fuck knows it takes a lot to offend me, just so you know. i wish i knew the complaints procedure on this site...

[just me...]

funny how house wouldn't exist without the constant support, encouragement and friendship hugh laurie has enjoyed from a gay man since they met more than a quarter of a century ago. for a long time there was no laurie out there without fry, y'know. if you really feel the way you are saying there, i feel deeply sorry for you. i do, however, also feel deeply offended by that tripe and would kindly like to ask you to keep it to yourself from now own. btw - i'm straight, and fuck knows it takes a lot to offend me, just so you know. i wish i knew the complaints procedure on this site...

[WG]

I can not see the point of such vitriol against the possibility of a homosexual relationship between House and Wilson. If you are so offended by homosexuality are you also offended by Hugh's long term friendship with a gay man? [snark mode on] Perhaps Hugh is indeed part of the vast gay conspiracy to spread gayness worldwide aided and abetted by his best friend Stephen Fry. Uh oh, you'd better not watch House any more, some of the potential gayness might rub off on you.[/snark mode off] And no, I'm not gay, and not as much offended by your ignorance as I find you rather pathetic and sad.

[Swot]

"House and Wilson getting together would ruin the show. I'd hate to see my favorite show go up in flames cause the fag community somehow views a house/wilson connection a victory for their lifestyle. So fags head on back to takin it in ass or muff diving, if thats your sport, and leave this quality show alone.

And fox if you're reading this I guarantee a house/wilson connection will sink this show in one season! Please don't attempt to cater to the flighty gay population.

"

Oh, must you talk utter balls?

[p matthews]

Can anyone tell me what the song is that Hugh Laurie is doing air guitar too in the trailer for series 4? shown on uk tv.

[fry and laurie fan]

what is your problem with gay relationships being displayed on television? if house became gay, i very much doubt it would affect any of the shows viewings. women can still be attracted to gay men! and anyway, it's the show's witty script and genius that makes house so alluring. to suggest that a relationship between house and wilson would produce a flaw in the show is preposterous! and almost insulting to the people who tried to create a show where an intellectual audience is appreciated.

[Peggy M]

I doubt seriously that the writers will ever put House and Wilson together. House has been established as straight, so has Wilson. I don't understand why it matters so much to see them as a gay couple. I think that's as weird as the people that insist that they remain straight. This is a TV show folks! Take it as it is or don't watch if it bothers you. Having said that, the hottest moment on House was when he had dinner with Cameron and he told her that she wants him because he's damaged. I told my husband at the time that if that were real life, he would have been able to get into the pants of just about every female alive with that utterance. (I can't speak for gays)

[Sarah]

I honestly feel that House could be bisexual. I'd say he wouldn't care what gender they are as long as they're interesting and he genuienly likes them. And Wilson...well he's a different story. He's in denial because he is completely and utterly gay but he keeps getting married when he's not even remotely interested in the women. House and Wilson get along well and understand each other. Them being together might work and it might not. I myself have mixed feelings. I want them to be together but so much of the show is based on them being alone and being messed up because of it. I think I'll leave that to the better judgement of the writers.

[ptsh]

well personally i would not watch the show anymore... and i know so many others that would not...

like right now house is a straight and he uses that trait so much in hte show... like when he checks out girls bums... like htat would be soo awkward if he started checking out guys asses instead...

[Dan]

NONONO House and Wilson are NOT getting together that is just too stupid a storyline for even fox to go for! House can't suddenly go well i loved stacey, i slept with cuddy, i dated cameron but you know i've always fancied that Wilson! House and Wilson NONONO just friends thats all

[just me...]

i'm actually 100% sure that house is straight, and that he and cuddy were meant to be. but i'm at the same time 100% sure that wilson is gay, and i think him and house having a lonely guys' buddy fling might just work. mind you, a fling, not a long-term relationship.

[yellowseas]

i can totally see house as bisexual. and wilson is devoted to him in a way that makes you think he's at least half in love with him but in pure denial. oh the angst! sorry if the very thought of house and wilson together icks some out but a lot of viewers can see the sexual chemistry. and the writers play with it. it's blatant. and it's not some big scary gay conspiracy. most of the house/wilson fanfic writers are straight women.

[katie]

i can't believe you ppl think house and wilson should get together.. that is so stupid.. you ppl are out of your fricken trees... house is house he will remain alone... if not he should be with cuddy.. house is too hott to be gay.. and too old for cameron.. chase should be with cameron.. lik they were in season two... and if cuddy's not with house she should be with wilson...

[just me...]

so gay guys can't be hot? or hot guys can't be gay? geez, don't we all wish, girls?

[blacksnakemoan]

I have seen many comments, but none so openly moronic as blatent gay-bashing for no reason.

Personally, I've not seen any indication that either Wilson or House are gay, but if they are I have complete confidence that the writers (let me say that again ...) the writers of the show (that's the very fictional television series called House) are fully capable of making it believable.

I just recently started watching House, so I'm in a unique position, as I've just seen all three seasons back to back to back and again, I don't feel any sort of homosexual vibe from either man. I think the idea that Wilon is gay may simply come from the fact that he is a complete opposite to House. He is a kind, thoughtful, all too human, man whereas House's tendency is to be angry first, lash out first and then make sure it's safe. House doesn't reach out; Wilson has no choice, given his job. I can't even imagine having to tell people they are going to die for a living, but one would have to be overflowing with compassion to do the job well.

Does anyone want to even imagine House dealing with cancer patients? People he can't cure ...ever.

I'm not entirely sure that House is currently capable of being with anyone, male or female. He is far too self-absorbed ...in fact were he to be with anyone, he would likely fall in love with himself. Oops ...too late.

Anyway, that's just my opinion. Generally, I don't feel moved to write comments at all, but seriously ...does it really matter so much that everyone is sniping at each other? It's a TV show. Hugh Laurie and Robert Sean Leonard would probably be horrified to know their fans were saying things like this to one another.

[poop]

wow u guys r queer really who thinks of a house/wilson relation? its so queer it boggles my mind i mean really?! house obviously is not homo and if you think im wrong why not try waching the series again, and of course theyve both had sex WITHOUT each other being involved (and yes with women) really stop trying to ruin the series and watch what you say unknowingly you all ruin the series for all of us GOOD house fans

POWER TO DA HOUSE!!!!

[poop]

and no im not homo phobe and no im not a homo nor bi

[just me...]

you damn well sound like a homophobe to me, kid...

[just me...]

blacksnake - aren't you making wilson appear holier than he is there? alright, he's a compassionate guy, but so is house, the only difference is that wilson is actually capable of communicating his compassion verbally, while house has to do so in rather more twisted and complex ways, and mainly by deed. and oncology is not quite as depressing a discipline as you make it out to be there. ;-) a lot of cancer patients do get cured after all, and while i'm sure that death is a more frequent visitor to wilson's department than to most, he'd still get his kicks from a patient who goes home in remission or cured.

recently, during the tritter story arc, i found a distinctly unlikeable holier than thou trait about wilson actually. on the one hand, it was good to see him stand up to house for a change, bitch at him, communicate his anger instead of just giving another one of his resigned, paternal smiles. on the other hand, of course he wanted his money, car, practice, life back, and i found it somewhat distateful that he didn't admit that to himself. for all i can see, his own issues need a lot more confrontation than they're currently getting, and not confronting them is one thing that fuels his relentless compassion and giving.

i mean, let's see... wilson is estranged from his family, his relationships never work out, he still hasn't found himself a new place to live after his last break-up, he feeds on neediness, he is a self-admitted enabler, he is on anti-depressants and won't talk about it... that's a pretty full plate if you ask me. so for all i can see he is not entirely the selfless, giving guy he likes to be seen as. what motivated him to become an oncologist, i.e. to choose a singularly difficult and deathfraught medical discipline? what motivated him to be friends with a pain-riddled, bipolar, mean, sarcastic drug-addict, in a way that obviously goes beyond enjoying each other's company? what motivates him to forgive and forget over and over again? their friendship is the only personal relationship in both house and wilson's lives that could even remotely be described as functional, and a friendship where one person only gives and the other only takes can't work like that. hence house must be giving something back to wilson, enough even to want to spend christmas/ chanukkah with him and kip on his sofa. so what is it? redemption, for all i can see. house, by being so much more screwed up than he is, gives him a chance to feel better about himself and his own life, as messed up as it may be, and by having a strong personality (being a freak does indeed make you stronger, i speak from experience) avoids being sucked into the wilson vortex of functional vampiredom. and is there a better medical discipline for finding redemption than one where you spend half of your time consoling grieving widows?

yes, wilson is a nice guy, agreed. but he's not a saint. he's merely someone who manages to keep his issues and his work apart.

[katie]

i never meant to gay-bash... i have lots of gay friends... i like gay ppl.i just don't feel house should be "gay".. I'm not saying that gay ppl can't be hott.. because look at vin deisel.. he is a very goodlooking man.. and he "i do believe" is gay.. (even though he is married and has kids ) i didn't mean to come off liek thatand i'm sorry if i offended anyone....

[Jamie]

Some of you girls need to take your House/Wilson yaoi fantasies out of here, and back into your head.

You'd then probably end up going on 7chan looking for a few images.

[just me...]

what the hell is yaoi? and, btw, no house/ wilson fantasies here, that would take away from the time i have for house/ me fantasies after all. i just think it would be an enjoyable plot twist.

[Mikke]

OH the Drama
Thats the problem really, the drama, no good can come from that sort of weird gay linkage so late in a show. I'm sorry i'm not a gay basher, actually a few good freinds of mine are gay, but you have to look into the context of what makes this a good show, it's not about the drama. I watch house simply beacause its intresting, its a show about medical mysteries and a narcassistic egotistacal junky genious can solve these problems, if you want gayness or hot drama in a hospital setting I recommend you start watch either grey's anatmony or general hospital. I'm so sick of people comming up with radical plot twists beacause of some fantasy or opinon, what do you get if that happens, a huge ethic issue, were protesting the idea, even if its for good taste, will be looked at and twisted by people who think its gay bashing. Making house or wilson gay would turn it into some weird sappy gay pushing sitcom about how everyone has feelings and we need to express them even if your a jerk, NO get away from that thought now, to make this show go for any length of time add hte medical wonders, the paitents, the comedy, and very important the twisted parody of drama, the whole reason it was nominated for drama beacause some lame judge filed in a catagory when its so much more
Bleh on the the whole idea of it

[just me...]

ok ok... dunno about everyone else here, but i just think it would make for a really cool episode if house and wilson woke up in bed together one morning and spent the rest of the episode trying to deal with it. no more, no less. for all i can see everything can and should be perfectly back to normal (or house's brand of abnormal anyway) by the end of the night. house and wilson as a couple wouldn't work dramatically, you're perfectly right about that, but i think the idea would work on a once-off basis.

[blacksnakemoan]

just me -

I agree with you absolutely. That's why I said that Wilson was "all too human." He certainly has issues ...how boring would he be if he didn't?

I think his friendship with House offers him something he could, likely, never be. Scathingly honest, without reservation or regret.

What I meant was that the "Wilson is gay" thing may have started because the two characters are so juxtaposed. Not sure if that makes sense.

You pretty much summized it in your last statement. He keeps his work and his personal issues separate.

PS - Whomever was talking about Vin Diesel ...he is neither gay nor is he married ...though he loves kids.

[mananthropic]

Its totally silly to put House in bed with Wilson and its even more silly that i react to utter crap like that. It has nothing to do with being homophobic, its just not in the character of House. And it doesnt matter if Fry is a homo, since Laurie is acting (remember?)...
Besides, there are plenty of shows (even good ones like Will and Grace) that deal with this clichee issue. I like House as he is and it would totally ruin the show for me if he would end up as a sissy. I think he should remain 'a-sexual', with a healthy dislike of women and mankind in general, although the flipside of that is love. The interesting part of his character is that he wants to go just 1 way; his. And because he is usually right and acts based on logic he gets away with all the crap he pulls of. That and the fact that what he does is to 'help' people, even brakes rules for them.
In normal life you usually don't get away with this, well you do... to your 'House'

[mananthropic]

And about being honest:
I dont know who came up with this, but House is NOT totally honest in his everyday life. He is totally open when he analyses a relationship, or himself (which most people are too scared too do), but he often lies to achieve a goal (however 'noble' that may be, it is still lying).

[Storyteller1]

NO WAY should Wilson and House get together as a couple. Neither are gay, nor do I want them to be. Let's keep the gay stuff with the gay shows. Keep House and Wilson straight.

If they did go gay, I gurantee I would stop watching.

[mananthropic]

What is it with this crazy gay loving 'modern' times anyway? You either have to cuddle them to death, say they are all wonderful people, have to have some as friends or good acqaintances and of course women usually add to that list; 'all the pretty men are gay'.
It makes me sick! Not the fact that there are gay men, although id rather not see what they do, but this slimey -can-i-say-something-nice-about-them-to-show-my-tolerance-and-me-being-modern.
No, you're not modern... gay is out. And it is sickening to see people twist like this in their own benefit. It's lying even.
Ive known many gay people and there are nice ones and total assholes among them. Gee, guess what, they are human!
And taking it even a step further; I could tell some statistics that show that on average they are actually less nice. (although that is subjective)
Everywhere you look nowadays, there has to be a homo, a moslim or negro (foreman) and some emancipated female thats not in the right place (cuddy). By god, leave the homo out of House! Its SO terribly clichee by now. I want to see normal people again! And yes... to me House is normal! What a relief, finally someone who is normal again.
Funny actually; modern times have stressed the exceptional so much, that what is normal now seems exceptional. Not saying that House is totally normal; if he was a real person i'd say he's highly gifted (iq >130), but still...

Next someone will come and say it is a discriminating show cause Foreman is always Houses slave. And we are lucky that Cuddy is Houses boss, otherwise women would be lining up to say that the show itself is female-unfriendly.
CUT the crap!

[Storyteller]

My comments don't really have anything to do with my distaste for gays. I do not understand it. It is not natural in my opinion, and I do not really want to tune in to House to watch two men kiss. I watch House because I like the show.

I have been hearing for quite a while something about maybe Wilson and House getting together, or House and Cuddy getting together. Fine, do House and Cuddy. But FOX is not the LOGO network. House is an established show with high ratings, and a high fan base. Don't kill the show by making the main character gay when he has already shown that he is not.

[just me...]

mananthropic - what does stephen fry's sexual orientation got to do with wilson's? so because hugh laurie's real life buddy happens to be gay, his character's can't be? re foreman - isn't he the only one who is not house's slave? for all i can see he's the only one on the team who actually manages to have an equal relationship with him.

storyteller - if you don't understand it, that's one thing. but saying it's not natural? what? so quantum physics isn't natural either cos you (presumably) don't understand it? and, btw, kindly keep up with the world around you. there is plenty of anecdotal evidence that gayness has been part of the natural order of things since the primeval slime. gay birds, goats, dolphins etc...

[Storyteller]

I actually do understand quantum physics, but that is beside the point. The purpose of sex is to continue whatever species. In this case, human. Two men can not do that. Two woman can not do that. Only a man and a woman can do that. This is why nature has designed things this way. Two men or two woman together in a romantic relationship is not natural, and it is not something that I want to see on one of my favorite shows.

[manathropic]

@just me: Fry's sexual orientation has nothing to do with Wilson's. The fact that Lauries buddy is gay, doesnt mean his characters cant be, it also doesnt imply that they should and that is why i said that. Someone argued (look back) that because he has a gay friend he could or should play a gay role. That is utter crap.
And yes Foreman plays a pretty head strong character. See my earlier post why. None the less he is still working for House, which means; House is boss > therefor not equal. Besides, all that non-discriminative, but equality is a lie too. An apple is an apple and not a pear.

Now it seems they are going to change that... im curious how this will affect the show, cause it is largely based on the fact that House rulez. My guess is it will bleed to death if all of them work besides House, on equal level, instead of for him.

And about homosexuality; it is not 'normal' in at least 2 ways. First of, the majority of people is not homosexual, which makes it abnormal, an abberation, an anomaly.
Secondly, if you take a nose dive into philosophy, you will find that the only 'use' people are in the end, is to reproduce. All of nature obides to that rule and every living thing on this planet does. You may not see it yet, but as you grow older you will see that almost everything that people do... derives from 1 thing; procreation. You dont have to study rocket science for that and it has little to do with understanding quantum mechanics.
Now before you explode; I dont dislike gay men in general, nor the fact they have this orientation. I loathe modern (stupid) women more than men and in an old Greek way the homosexual relationship may be on a higher level. But that has nothing to do with modern gayness.
Still, its an anomaly and as anomalies go, who is going to say which is good and which isnt? Personally, me myself and i like to fornicate sheep, but they dont put that in a tv series, do they?

[just me...]

hm... misunderstanding there methinks. when i mentioned steohen fry in the context of this debate i did so to make the point that it's a bit weird to like hugh laurie and yet bash his beset buddy for something he can't help, i.e. his sexual orientation. to to mention that hugh probably wouldn't be impressed.

and if being gay is unnatural, how has it survived through millions of years of evolution in a considerable number of species? alright, i'm a bit puzzled about the evolutionary point of non-reproductive sexuality too, but there obviously is one or it wouldn't have survived.

[mananthropic]

Hmm ok, im too lazy to read back.
The whole point of course is that it doesnt really matter what hugh laurie thinks, cause what House says largely comes out of the pen of some other people. Even if Laurie was gay himself, it still wouldnt make any sense to make the character he plays gay later on. He could be casted for a part like that if he had a certain gay appearance, but that is not the case on both counts.
I dont think anyone was gay bashing, although at the same time i think (here in europe anyway) the tolerance for gay is decreasing. Of course its the question there ever was, its more likely it was just indifference. In that respect maybe the gay community overplayed their hand.

Evolution: I dont know statistics about homosexual conduct in animals, but i dont think there are any pure gays. It has to do with hormones and maybe practice even. Frankly i dont even know any male animals penetrating another male. We all know the dog riding on a leg, but that is a tad different from what people do.
In humans sexuality is a rather complicated thing, getting more complicated as the iq increases. Which gender the sexual focus is on, is a mixture of scent (& some visional) inhibited stimuli in the small brain and the programmed patterns in the higher brain. So i dont think homo's are born homo, with the execption of those that have a gender chromosomal/hormonal mixup in the embryonic period where gender is determined and maybe some that have some other low level(small brain) mixup, possibly hormonal deficiency
The number of homo's kinda drastically increases as it is in fashion to be this way, which can mean 2 things; either a lot of men are gay, but never endulged this part in themselves in vast periods of history, or we bread homosexuals as society rewards it one way or another.
My opinion on this matter:
If fornicating sheep is normal tomorrow, we see it on tv, talk about it in the street with a certain charm (those people are so sweet and cute), the day after tomorrow the number of bestial acts will have quadrupled.

[just me...]

a) i've never said house should be gay. i said wilson IS gay (and in the closet) and i could imagine them having sex once or twice, basically, not a relationship

b) there has been blatant gay-bashing here, and it was only in that context that i brought up stephen fry's sexual orientation at all. it still doesn't make sense to me to like hugh laurie and on the other hand say his best buddy is a sick fuck for his sexual orientation

c) i'm in europe too, and guess what, looking around me i see the tolerance for gayness increasing, and thank goodness. yes, people are bored with that whole queer eye hing, but that was a phase any acceptance process has to go through, so good thing they're bored with it. more and more people now appear to be ready to accept gayness as part of the natural order of things, nothing to hate and nothing to coo over. or how do you explain the growing legalisation of, for instance, gay marriage?

d) there's a difference between two bullocks mounting each other for lack of a cow and genuine animal homosexuality. i think this story (from my home town, incidentially) illustrates it quite well:

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1279583.html

if these penguins weren't genuinely gay, don't you think they'd have humped the females before they were even settled in the enclosure?

[just me...]

a) i've never said house should be gay. i said wilson IS gay (and in the closet) and i could imagine them having sex once or twice, basically, not a relationship

b) there has been blatant gay-bashing here, and it was only in that context that i brought up stephen fry's sexual orientation at all. it still doesn't make sense to me to like hugh laurie and on the other hand say his best buddy is a sick fuck for his sexual orientation

c) i'm in europe too, and guess what, looking around me i see the tolerance for gayness increasing, and thank goodness. yes, people are bored with that whole queer eye hing, but that was a phase any acceptance process has to go through, so good thing they're bored with it. more and more people now appear to be ready to accept gayness as part of the natural order of things, nothing to hate and nothing to coo over. or how do you explain the growing legalisation of, for instance, gay marriage?

d) there's a difference between two bullocks mounting each other for lack of a cow and genuine animal homosexuality. i think this story (from my home town, incidentially) illustrates it quite well:

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1279583.html

if these penguins weren't genuinely gay, don't you think they'd have humped the females before they were even settled in the enclosure?

[mananthropic]

Funny, we are european neighbours discussing something in the US ;p
reaction:
a) The fact that a man is not so dominant, doesnt make him gay i think. Wilson is the likeable guy; he makes an effort to be liked, he's kinda timid. But is that gay? I mean, you can see gay everywhere if you want to. There are plenty of men getting into a strong dominant pattern, which could be overcompensating for gayness. So you could call every man gay.

b) Well ok, im too tired now to read everything again. Ill give you the gay bashing.
b2) I think people see the character; House and not the actor; Laurie. Since Laurie doesnt act Laurie, it doesnt matter of his whole family was gay. He is House, not Laurie.

c) I am from Netherlands and gay marriage, yes, it is possible now. At the same time more gay people get beaten up at the gay parade (which, the latter, is something i never agreed on anyway). The left and later the whole country, seemed to stand up for minorities. Of course, that applied only to a few favourable minorities (and women arent even a minority), so it wasnt fair to begin with. But interesting enough, the 3 main groups they stood up for; women, homo's and immigrants (specially muslims) can't stand eachother. Apart from these power struggles, there is the masses. And they are pretty fed up with all that ... i'd almost say immoral... with the lies and bull.
Do i hear anyone complain about gays beaten up? No...
Do i hear people complain about the idiocracy of the political party that was started here last year... promoting pedofilia? YES. Its shamefull... and stretching the borders of what people 'tolerate'. It will surely backfire on all privileged groups. This is happening as the government is handing out new rights, that most people dont want handed out.
Maybe in Germany its a little different, but what happens here, will affect germany and vice versa, because the whole europe farce is interlinked now. We all have the same problems.
d) Nature/nurture. The penguins in captivity there are no example of...
They were probably hatched and raised by humans...

[just me...]

i'm beginning to enjoy this... *lol*

a) i don't think wilson is gay because he comes across as sensitive and caring. he can be pretty dominant when he wants to be, and that sensitive and caring thing is a cliche anyway. i think he is gay because... well, gaydar is up to 11 basically. he acts awkward in flirtacious situations with women, the way he relates to cuddy seems to me like he thinks he should be interested in her but really isn't, the way he behaves towards house looks rather more like love to me than like friendship - and he knows far too much about the village people for a straight guy. ;-) seriously, i guess it's more gut feeling than anything, but my gaydar tends to be pretty accurate.

b2) i never questioned that.

c) here - in ireland, btw, german ex-pat - i do hear people complain about gays being beaten up, and good thing too. when you hear stories about gays being beaten up or discriminated against on the radio here, lots and lots of people will call-in, text, e-mail to register their disgust and offer moral support to the person in question. for all i can see, you're suffering the conservative backlash in the netherlands now. you were so liberal for so long that some things did get out of hand and now you're heading in the other direction. a middle way would be good...

d) fine, only there is plenty of gay sex among wild animals too. bonobos, dolphins etc. read up on it!

[just me...]

i'm beginning to enjoy this... *lol*

a) i don't think wilson is gay because he comes across as sensitive and caring. he can be pretty dominant when he wants to be, and that sensitive and caring thing is a cliche anyway. i think he is gay because... well, gaydar is up to 11 basically. he acts awkward in flirtacious situations with women, the way he relates to cuddy seems to me like he thinks he should be interested in her but really isn't, the way he behaves towards house looks rather more like love to me than like friendship - and he knows far too much about the village people for a straight guy. ;-) seriously, i guess it's more gut feeling than anything, but my gaydar tends to be pretty accurate.

b2) i never questioned that.

c) here - in ireland, btw, german ex-pat - i do hear people complain about gays being beaten up, and good thing too. when you hear stories about gays being beaten up or discriminated against on the radio here, lots and lots of people will call-in, text, e-mail to register their disgust and offer moral support to the person in question. for all i can see, you're suffering the conservative backlash in the netherlands now. you were so liberal for so long that some things did get out of hand and now you're heading in the other direction. a middle way would be good...

d) fine, only there is plenty of gay sex among wild animals too. bonobos, dolphins etc. read up on it!

[Grace]

Just for the record, I would NOT want to see House and Wilson together romantically. I only want to see House with Stacy. I believe that she is the love of his life and vice-a-versa. Did you ever notice how they look at each other????
Magic!

[just me...]

yep, house and stacy was real love! but that ship has so definitely sailed that it's in international waters by now. no, house and cuddy it'll have to be, that's where everything is pointing. house and wilson would be a FLING, no more!

[mananthropic]

lol @ justme ;].. i guess i enjoy it too, otherwise i wouldnt be here i guess ;]

a) My gaydar and radar are usually way off. Actually im very bad with people. So, maybe you are right. But House isnt! ;p

c) Im afraid we're past a possible middle way...
Things are getting more and more rough here. Today some organisation (state front) released a poll; people feel safer.
Then i ask; safer than what? Than when? If you have to do polls like this, it means something. And at the same time the report says we have less trust in our government, but more trust in eachother. Sure...
I always hung round minorities, ethnic or otherwise... i definately see changes. Besides, we had 2 political murders... what does that say about our democracy? If it was in Africa we would have said; see, another banana republic. Ethnic power is rising, and they are not only more racist, but usually also anti-gay.

d) Bonobos are said to have sex for fun. I guess they are trendsetters for modern mankind (hedonistic, bla bla).... imagine that, a monkey we take an exaple of.. hahahah
Dolphins and homosexuality.. ill have to read up on it... never heard of it. Do they do blow jobs? ;p

House and Wilson wont happen. House and Cuddy... a fling. House will be alone, im afraid.

[just me...]

a) nope, house is straight. i never doubted that.

c) safer than what indeed! being intelligent and educated people, we both know that the voice of the people is not the voice of god but, for 99% of the time, utter hogwash. why do people feel safe or unsafe? because of the information they get fed by the news media. what do the news media report? news, i.e. the UNUSUAL, the things that don't happen three times a day with breakfast, lunch and dinner. the opinion of the people hence does not reflect the actual situation in the country one bit. the murders of pim fortuyn and theo van gogh are, on some level, the price we pay for democracy. it comes with a risk, like it or lump it. (also note that the former was not strictly connected to fortuyn's political attitudes or sexual orientation) i do agree that immigrants to a country have a certain obligation to conform to its socio-political norms, but at the same time you won't get them to do that with strongman rethorics. we're all fundamentally selfish as a species, so try to catch them with honey, not with vinegar. going back to our original debate - so do you think gays should go back into hiding? cos that's not gonna help anyone...

d) bonobos aren't monkeys but great apes, and our closest living relatives. and we don't use them as role models, but as examples for what we might be like "naturally", so to speak. if you look around you, at different societies on this planet, you'll see that heterosexual monogamy is by no means the norm for the human race... re the dolphins - i think they do, actually... can't be arsed to look it up right now, though

e) apart from flings, house will be alone for the remainder of the series, yes. it's what makes him work as a character. still, i always have that idea that he and cuddy will get together for good in the very last episode... ;-)

[Badar]

Come on, anyone watched the show closely?
In the season 3 finale House actually compliments Cuddy.
Not the way he always joked before, but an actual praise.

Cuddy walks in the office and House is alone (the patient is dead, so House is miserable) and he says

"The way security light hits your legs... its beautiful"

I cant imagine that was just a line by the screen writers. House is in fact falling for Cuddy.
And ofcourse House/Wilson can't happen. Not because its appaling, but because they both like women.

[KD]

Wow. Surprised at the level of misanthropic and homophobic attitudes here.

Just wanted to say, hey, if you watch the episode where House is talking to Wilson about a trip to the Poconos, the first thing Wilson thinks is that House is asking HIM. It's very funny, but the reactions did leave a little opening for the two of them. Check it out on YouTube (I think it's in the top10 video - there are tons of great vids there). There's a lot of shows that have interesting nuances. Anyway, I agree that House and Stacy and House and Cuddy make the most sense - they seem more evenly matched.

[Kath]

Why do people always assume that just because a guy is nice and decent and caring, he MUST be gay? That is so sick and warped and just shows how twisted people's minds are. Wilson is so clearly NOT gay but in this day and age with all the 'politically correct' vibes, people see gayness in everything, even in Harry Potter for crying out loud. Why do people have to make something sick out of something innocent? There's enough depravity in this world without you creating it out of nowhere. Guys can be good friends with each other without being gay. Get over it. This is a stupid, sick and utterly pointless argument.

[just me...]

so gayness is now sick, yeah? you might want to get your attitude checked out, kid... and we did away with the nice and caring bit weeks ago...

[blacksnakemoan]

Like everyone else, I was too lazy to read all the way through ...about the penguins and stuff. Hey, did you know penguins are highly flammable ...lol. Sorry, off subject.

Yes, I do think Wilson loves House, but not in a romantic sense. Certainly the attitude of Wilson goes beyond simple, basic friendship, but they covered that, didn't they? Wilson was finally the one to break and get House arrested because he believed House needed help. Granted, that didn't actually work out, but it showed the kind of friend Wilson is. Finally willing to step beyond House to do what he thought was best for him. It's not easy ...believe me, I know.

Personally, I thought House and the 17-year old spore girl had fabulous chemistry ...but I digress. Is anyone, but me, disgusted that he didn't win the Emmy? I think I threw something at my television.

From now on, those of us having an intelligent debate are going to ignore those who can't check their personal homophobia.

I think if House and Wilson had a fling it would ruin the friendship they've developed. Wilson has finally come to the point where he will, if necessary, stand up to House and a fling (be Wilson gay or not) would just destroy this balance. If Wilson is gay, he'd be holding on for dear life, letting House get away with anything, and if he's not ...he'd run like hell in the other direction. Lose/lose situation.

I do grant you that the comments from House on this subject after it happened would probably be hysterical.

Peace

[just me...]

dang, now i want to know more about the flammable penguins. sounds qi, that... *g*

i do think it's romantic, but we'll see... ;-)

i'm fucking furious about the emmys actually! who exactly makes these decisions? yes, the sopranos were good, but, for fuck's sake, old news or what!

i find it bloody hard to ignore homphobia to be quite honest... might try, though, for the sake of intelligent debate. ;-)

i do like the way their relationship has developed recently alright, with wilson asserting himself more. still, dang, it seems such a shame to leave the gay angle entirely unexplored.

the westboro baptist church have come up with the wonderful term "jew fag". for some reason house saying that to wilson would be cool...

[llo26]

I love the show House and will watch no matter who hes with... but I dont think he will be with anyone for quite a while b/c it would rock the boat.

House and Wilson will not happen, although I do agree that there banter is amorous. This show is on FOX... the most Right Wing network on television... I dont think they would openly support a gay lead on there network, no matter how wrong that is!!

[crystal]

I JUST RENTED ALL THE SEASONS OF HOUSE AND IT IS AN AWESOME SHOW WHEN DOES SEASON FOUR START OR HAS IT ALREADY

[m]

Aww...It's so wonderful to see that discrimination is alive and well in Europe. I just thought it was us big 'ol baddies here in the USofA, but my travels, the other expats that I have met along the way and this forum have taught me a great deal. Other nations in Europe and Asia are just as equally afflicted.

Prejudice is natural. People beating the ever loving crap out of each other and blaming people different from them for their woes is completely natural/normal. (sigh) People of other faiths, colors and sexuality are bad for society. Just like pedophiles they are cancers in any community including their own. It's a proven fact supported by statistics, your local chapter of bigots.(Oh, and yes those dastardly *unts come in assorted colors.) The good word supports beating the crap out of them too if you read it selectively and have the balls to interpret it in a manner that always affirms your (opps)I meant Gods wishes. They have contributed nothing of note or interest during the modern era. Anything different from ones owns personal beliefs is utter shit and what some Hollywood asshole puts into a TV show somehow matters.

The funny thing about homosexuality throughout history is that it is something that you can hide. If preservation demands it people can and do hide it. I don't buy any significant portion of the gay population opting that lifestyle for fashion reasons. I don't care how popular it is or how many cool tv shows are made about it I could never be convinced to be a lesbian. It is impossible for me, just as I know it would be impossible for my gay friends to be straight. Watch someone struggle, watch the fear they go through that everyone that they know and love will reject them. Meet a post operative transgendered male. Cutting off your man parts is no joke. That organ doesn't grow back. Why don't we save judging and harassing people for those actually guilty of real affronts to society like pedophilia. It amazes me how countries can have laws that are insanely liberal and people that are so narrow-minded. Both of these are blights on society. Run the pedo political party out of town that's madness. Then again who am I to draw the line right. What do I know? Is there no balance or sanity in the world?

[marie]

I'm a House/Wilson shipper and a House/Cameron shipper. House/Cameron is sweet, fun...and short-lived. They both get a chance to experience the more lighter side of life. Then they get over it and find longer-term relationships. They're both just a little too screwed up to stay together for long.
On the other hand, House/Wilson makes a lot more sense. House is erratic, a smart-ass, unbalanced, and a genius. Wilson is straitlaced, organised, and he's also emotionally triggering in House's case, even if House pretends not to feel anything when it's oh-so-obvious that he does (I'll pause for a "Duh" moment here). Wilson completes House, because he's the realistic and lighthearted other half that House is missing (I mean, House is realistic, but only in other people's cases, not usually his own, except the whole brain cancer thing). The yin to his yang, if you will. Yes, they're best friends. That's good. Lovers can also be friends in certain cases. This is one of them.

[marie]

Oh, and one more thing. Homosexuality is as natural as anything. Anyone who hates it, well, nice reason, but it didn't stop half the world from going gay. It's not a disease. And it's not a sin. It just is what it is. Get over it already. Jeez.

[marie]

Oh, and yes, I know the brain cancer wasn't real. It was just an example. That's all. :)

[mananthropic]

to m:

sanity is washing your hands after you did something natural, im afraid.
balance is that its always been so. And always will be.
Nice words are usually lies. And the truth is seldom nice.

One of the main reasons for Houses' succes is that the man is usually bluntly truthfull. We are not used to that anymore... so it catches our attention and we need truth again, after decades of (well intended?) illusions and lies. You cant build much on lies.
You are right, we, humans, are not so nice. We dont like people that are different... sure, up to a point, but never too close and too much/many. Its not even logically possible as a result of some sociologic facts (group behavious, identity, moral and such)
So all the attempts to make this world better, were invain and in fact betrayel of what we are and betrayel of the ones and the things we should protect.
Its not easy to find a moral to live with that fits in this insane world.

And to all those people who still find it necessary to talk about 'gay':
You can say anyone with some criticism is homophobic, but what does that mean? What is the opposite of homophobic?
Face it, this gay age is passé. You may not notice it, but you are doomed, just like the rest of us who are/were naive.

[Tama]

House is not going to turn gay. The writers just drop a few clever teases now & then, peoples' imaginations run wild. House & Wilson wlll not 'do it'. It's obviously not in the cards. It's a fun game for some people to look for clues, nothing wrong with that. But if you're really pining for H/W to happen you should prepare yourself for disappointment.

[Gaby Lespinasse]

Whether homosexuality is a trend or not, whether homosexuality is "normal" or not, whether Hugh Laurie's best friend is gay or not, whether Wilson is "overly" sensitive or not, a gay relationship between Wilson and House is completely uncharacteristic of the show, and the shows characters.
For Laurie's own answer of the question, check out his Inside the Actor's Studio:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ig_B0AVFSg

[mananthropic]

You are right, it all doesnt matter and i started out here saying one shouldnt even dignify this utter crap with an answer, but yet i did.
It is interesting though that from this excellent show that revolves around the character of House (without him the show would be just another silly hospital farce), which leads to so many anomalies, discrepancies in our social behaviour, in our moral, people actually come up with... homosexuality.
For crying out loud.
I saw the youtube link above here and obviously this thingie here isnt the only one where this option is postulated. I find this so shortsighted, that a lot of people that obviously admire the show (for what reason???) come up with this 'idea'. As if every show or movie should have its homo's in it. How real is that? How many homo's does an average person know or live with? Yes, i totally agree, it has no bearing on the show whatsoever, but we are there none the less. Maybe the gay community totally lost track of society, being among peers most of the time?
It makes me wonder how much people actually think. Once some idiot said that there is a gay man in every man. It were the days that coming out was still something to celebrate, rejoice everyone, for i am gay. What a load of crap. Obviously some people actually think that is true. A mild man could easily be gay and a hard man is hiding his homosexuality. So everyone is a potential homosexual. Come on, get real.
Do you realize there are actually more people NOT having sex at all than there are who's lives, extravagantly evolve around it? Sure sex can be a great thing and in some sense it is the thing that gives our lives meaning; procreation, but that doesnt imply persuiing it constantly. It is a hedonistic, modernistic abberation that is decadent and morally degrading and will bring society to decay.
So please, leave the sex/relation thing out of House. Why not focus on the moral point of view; when is a person good?
Or the understanding of eachother? Or what is social behaviour? These things are much more interesting and this is what the show is about.
Not sex. As soon as sex comes in, the exploitation of (love)relationships in the series (more than now), the show is dead.
It will end at some point anyway, you can only stretch something good so far...
Id rather have them just quit the show than go well over the top.

[Gaby Lespinasse]

I consider myself a bisexual female, with lesbian tendencies. I have had relationships with both men and women, favoring the ones with women. I am not anti-gay in any respect, and I can verify that with my self, as opposed to "I have friends who are gay." "The gay community" is every community. It is just as diverse in demeanor, in political interests, even in media interest.

It is with that knowledge that I, a gay female, state that a House-Wilson relationship, if done, particularly given the background of these characters, would be done primarily for shock value, which is a poor justification for such a drastic change. The show is on Fox, for goodness' sake; They have no liberal agenda, I assure you. A homosexual relationship would also take the show far deeper into the characters' personal lives than we've been delving since season one, which would break the formula of the show that has come to work so well.

The interesting thing is, I don't think it's the gay community that is championing House and Wilson's homosexual love. I think it's a random group of viewers who either 1) are female, with strong attractions to both House and Wilson, and, just as men like watching girl-on-girl, would like to watch House-on-Wilson, or 2) are bored with the formula of "impossible-case-no-one-can-solve-house-deliberates-with-his- team-comes-up-with-various-solutions-they-think-they-solved-it- until-something-else-goes-wrong-eventually-house-says-'it-all- fits'-and-the-mystery-is-solved-all-the-while-he-is-caustic- and-hilarious," which is entirely understandable. However, if anyone has seen the season premier of House that showed last night, you would know that this upcoming season is going to be a definite digression from what House has been.

That is my two cents.

PS,
If anyone's curious, you can find the entire Inside The Actor's Studio with Hugh Laurie on youtube. He was absolutely captivating.

[mananthropic]

First part is solely about your status. This never makes your words logically right. Then you proceed with your knowledge (basically comes down to: there is no difference between gay and hetero and since i am both i am the only one that knows the truth, which is a contradiction) saying something about 'liberal' (what is that actually?) and you even assure me... nice to know that someone as wise as you are is assuring me. Really means something.
And a homosexual relationship would take the show much deeper into their personal lives, you say. Huh?
So in order to have real depth, you need to be homosexual (or bisexual as you are, which is of course godlike)?.. wow.
You must be really, really wise that you can see depth by peeking up in assholes...
Since you were so open to us all about your sexlife, which gives us great insight and depth, maybe you could state your age too? My guess is; ermm 13?

Last bit: Yes the show is probably over the top allready, but saying the formula is boring you, makes me think you didnt understand much of it. Which of course makes perfect cents, since you only see depth in shit.

Maybe you should have seved your 2 cents and waited till you had a dollar.

[Gaby Lespinasse]

First of all, you just seem to be finding flaws in everyone. Give it up.
Secondly, I am saying the only difference between homo and heterosexuals is the groups' respective sexual preferences. There are stereotypes of every classification, and there are always those who fit in with said stereotypes. To say that the idea of a House-Wilson relationship is part of a homosexual trend, part of a gay agenda, is ridiculous. It'd merely be a publicity ploy, as neither characters have exhibited any homosexual tendancies prior.
And by deeper into their personal lives, I mean that in order for this hypothetical plot twist to be possible given the lack of any previous indication, we would have to go much deeper into the psyches of the characters. Why have House and Wilson been repressing their mutual affection for so long? Why would they choose now to act upon it? There are questions such as these that wouldn't be as much of an issue if the writers chose to go with a House relationship they've already kind of set up, such as one with Cuddy. This has nothing to do with homosexuality being "deeper" than heterosexuality. And I never once claimed my bisexuality as godlike; I merely mentioned it as a basis for my opinions.
You seem to be a bit homophobic. You might want to work on that.
And my age is absolutely none of your concern.

As for the formula, read my post again. I never once said it was boring me. I postulated that perhaps the reason OTHERS are suggesting this out of the park plot twist is because THEY are bored. I love the show, and the season premier piqued my interest for the rest of the season.

All in all, you're making yourself seem like a bigoted asshole.

[mananthropic]

Flaws > Yes, there are no flawless people. Only dead people can be flawless, that is, if you dont see death as a flaw.

Trend > You cant argue that it isnt a trend. The fact that we are typing this here, indicates it is.

Repressing affection > Who says there is more than there is?

Cuddy > agreed.

Your bisex > not relevant.

Homophobic > Im not scared of homo's or homosexuality. That i i am not fond of it, sure. Im also not fond of Brussels sprouts, but i tolerate them. Doesnt mean im scared of them or that i am a potential sprout.

Your age > Your bisex isnt more relevant than your age.

Your interest > good. Cant see it here yet :{

Bigoted > Nah, im very tolerant, compared to others.

Asshole > Agreed.

You are funny, cause you are carefull in your attacks, saying 'you seem to' instead of 'you are'

I love you too ;]

[Gaby Lespinasse]

There is a difference between acknowledging the flaws in everyone and pointing them out callously.

I don't think it's a trend so much as something that is biological that's finally being considered an acceptable state of being.

My repressing affection comment was in response to the very idea of House and Wilson in a relationship, the subject of this comment thread. Obviously, if the two of them were to become lovers, they would have been hiding their admiration of each other for the past 3 seasons, and who knows how many character years before?

I'm glad we agree on something.

Perhaps my bisexuality is not relevant, but everyone had been prefacing their comments with "I have a gay friend so I can say whatever I want about the gay community" and other bullsh*t, so I followed the herd (something I, like so many others, try to avoid) and added my own experience with the very subject of homosexuality.

Homophobia doesn't necessarily mean the fear of homosexuals, but the odium of the gay community. Look it up. But for the record, your homophobia, or distaste for gay people, makes your opinion that House and Wilson will not, or should not, end up together irrelevant, because your claim is substantiated by the notion that homosexuality is wrong, or worthy of antipathy, rather than being backed by the show's characters and storylines themselves.

If you're questioning my interest in the show, I'm not even going to address that.

You may be tolerant, but you're hardly philanthropic.

Glad you agree again.

And I choose my words carefully because I don't want to misspeak, as I do so often in everyday life. If I get to communicate through a medium where I get to evaluate my words before I release them, I will. My goal is to understand others' points of view and adjust my arguments to address all of their assertions I am currently unable to dispute. Debate is a learning process.

And you don't love me; don't say you do.

[p0yda]

WOW! Just read all the comments in the thread.
Anyone know a way to jump out of all the to and fro about individual contributors sexual orientation/bigotry or otherwise and back to some of the interesting discussion of the psychology of the characters that makes this show so riveting. Caustic tennis can be fun, but with more wit (sorry no insult intended - maybe I just need to hear Hugh deliver your 'lines')
I must say that the old "impossible-case-no-one-can-solve-house-deliberates-with-his- team-comes-up-with-various-solutions-they-think-they-solved-it- until-something-else-goes-wrong-eventually-house-says-'it-all- fits'-and-the-mystery-is-solved-all-the-while-he-is-caustic- and-hilarious," formula was just starting to wear on me when some alternatives were thrown into the mix - but of course it is the interplay of characters and dry wit that would have kept me watching anyway.
[I'm at pains to not comment on the possibility of a House/Wilson connection, but I dare say that some brilliant script-writing coupled with Laurie's delivery would see House (not Hugh) discuss it in a way that was anything but politically correct.] Actually I have been finding the increased sexual encounters, or possibilities of such a bit boring - like the Tuesday thing, but like someone else said getting a bit over the evolved Cameron character

[manathropic]

@Gaby

difference > yep
acceptable > by who?
affection > ok
the herd > You could know no homosexuals and still have something valid to say about it. Anyway, its not a race who knows most homosexuals, or bisexuals. I wouldnt want to seem to discriminate .. hehe
homophobia > i did look it up. As all phobia's, its about fear
... I said several things about it. First of, that it has no bearing on the show, secondly i went into homosexuality itself, since other people did to and i tend to try to communicate with the herd. I dont say homosexuality is wrong, cause that is a moral (and therefor subjective) judgement. I said it wasnt 'natural', even though there may be instances in animal life where homosexuality seems present. There are vast differences though, so it is NOT that natural. And even if there were, it is not efficient for procreation. You know Darwin i guess? Even in philosophy, the final answer to what our purpose is (if you put god aside as irrelevant) procreation.
your interest > Doesnt particularly interest me. I said i cant see it here yet, cause i dont have fox here. (Live in the Netherlands, bla bla)
philanthropic > I give plenty away. Much more than average.
Dispute > All words are attempts to put our moral upon others. Only the form differences. Do you care about form?

Love... nuff said

[mananthropic]

@p0yda
"WOW! Just read all the comments in the thread"

You must be really bored ;]

[blacksnakemoan]

After watching last night's episode here is my official prediction.

House and Cameron.

Sorry folks, but the chemistry between Hugh Laurie and Jennifer Morrison is awesome, he simply doesn't have that same kind of chemistry with Lisa. Oh well.

And NOW ...she doesn't work for him anymore. It's all there ...she and Chase just ...are ...too ...they look like brother and sister. Ick.

That is my official position until otherwise proved wrong.

See ya

BTW - Penguins are flammable because of the oils on thier bodies and immense amounts of stored fat. Come to that, I guess I'd probably be quite flammable as well.

Personally, I want to meet the stoner who figured this out. "DUDE ...CHECK THIS OUT ..."

[just me...]

*ROFL* thanks for the sickest mental imagine in a very long time... :-D

[mananthropic]

So all in all you could say that penguins are just load of blubber, having fat on the inside and oil on the outside?
They should make em wear a 'danger, keep safe distance' sticker.

Wonder if my car runs on penguins...

[maria]

mmmmmmmm, i'm not good in english, so i hope you can understanding me, house is a show about medicine, no personal life, or just house's personal life,so, why put some gaylove in the show? it's no relevant, beacouse it'snot a show about that! and i'm a big big yaoi fan, but in this case, i desagree, medicine show=medicine show. gay shoy=gay show, please don't mixed up beside where is wilson/house relationship?? i can't see it! house will end with cuddy, please!!!!!! i hate cameron sory guys, so, i ended this, i hope you don't hitme beacouse my english

[just me...]

so... a medical show can't have a gay aspect to it? what kind of logic is that? nevermind your english, we can all understand what you're saying, but the actual content of your post is majorly screwed up!

[mananthropic]

Dont think the content of her post is screwed up. The show is about as much about homosexuality as it is about rockstars banging sorority girls.
Its just not there just... deal with it :p
hehe

I finally got to download House S4e1 and just viewed it. Great as ever, although i have to admit, i did miss the tension in the relationships a bit, not having the 3 co's around. I felt it specially when House was meeting that young woman that reminded him of cameron, where he makes that 'sexist' remark about her eyes being lopsided. "and by eyes i mean your breasts"
hehehe

So... didnt miss cameron there; any attractive female actor can probably fill the spot.
And there's the show for you... in that little fragment; those few lines.

Actually the whole show is lopsided and that is what makes it interesting. Not that modern shit that everyone has to be equal and all (there goes the homosexual thing). The world is not made out of equals. People are not equal, even though everyone seems to persuit that nowadays. If you really think about it, if we were all equal, it would be boring as hell.

[blacksnakemoan]

Actually, that's not entirely true. The idea that any female actor would do. Here's the problem: chemistry.

Yes, Hugh Laurie is amazing and has chemistry with just about anyone, but (and I think I said this before ...don't remember) his chemistry with Jennifer Morrison is amazing.

Go back ...back ...back and actually, go to youtube and watch one of the House/Cameron vids. These are some of the best smoldering stares I've ever seen and you can't have those without that kind of chemistry.

You can hire actors, but chemistry is all about luck. Check out the old film 'Sabrina' with Harrison Ford for case in point, or GOD FORBID (if you really have to) watch 'Brokeback Mountain' (no offense to those who actually liked those movies) but the chemistry SUCKED. BIG TIME.

Another good example is the amazing chemistry within the cast of the sadly very short lived show 'The Dresden Files.' (Those bastards that cancelled it ...DIE DIE DIE, but I digress, sorry) Wow. Can't buy it.

Point being, stick any ole' good lookin' woman in that slot and it won't be the same.

That said, I watch season 4 ...oh hang on ....

**************************SPOILER ALERT********************

I see Foreman coming back to the team, I can see Chase possibly coming back, I think 13 is the new team member, so either they intend to have 4 on the team, or Cameron is about to take up a new role in Houses' world. Hmmmm ....yeah, yeah she's with Chase at the moment. Give it time.

So, generally, I speak from the same place as before. House and Cameron, until otherwise proved wrong.

Peace

BSM

[manathropic]

"The idea that any female actor would do. Here's the problem: chemistry"

Chemistry? They are actors! They can act chemistry, if they are any good at being actors. If it just depends on 'chemistry', anyone can be an actor/tress.
Come on, the new blond in S4E1 did great without hardly saying a word, just a stare. I know dozens of braindead blonds like that!
Chemistry my ass.

[blacksnakemoan]

I can tell that you don't act ...or work in entertainment at all ...and that's fine. There is no need to get hostile, it's just a comment. A thought. An idea. An intermittant point of view. Nes pas?

You don't act chemistry. I don't know how to explain it. When you look at that one person in this world (not a relative) whom you would be willing to die for and your stomach does that flip/flop, that's cool, it's not chemistry.

When you look across a room, meet someone's eyes and there is just ...something ...and you can't put your finger on it, but you feel an overwhelming need to get closer and find out ...that's chemistry.

In film, it comes off the screen, the actors must be capable, you are right about that, but something unspoken, something that you feel sitting there watching, makes you want to suspend your reality and join that world, even if only briefly.

I would give you a suggestion (and please don't snap my head off, it's a suggestion, that's all). Watch the A&E movie Pride and Prejudice with Colin Firth and Jennifer Ehle. The main couple Darcy and Elizabeth ...fantastic, secondary couple Bingley and Jane ...not so much, and it is a very tangible thing. You don't root for Bingley and Jane, because you aren't invested in those characters. The chemistry between the actors is not good and though both actors separately are fabulous, they just don't make you believe they're in love.

I am not trying to demean, or insult you and if you are insulted, my apologies. I have worked in entertainment for a very long time and seen both films and television series for which the premise was great tank because the chemistry wasn't there.

Peace (really, I mean that)

bsm

[mananthropic]

Ok i wont bite your head off.
Ill try to explain gently.
The quality of 'House' lies in the concept plus Hugh Laurie. And i am NOT saying that Hugh Laurie is a great actor, not at all. Actually i dont really believe in 'acting' much, well yes as a part of someone's personality, you can focus on 1 aspect and try to emphasize that. Some 'actors' can do that better than others and i think that has some to do with intelligence, but most actors are pretty much crap, they usually play just themselves. That is where casting comes in and for this show, they casted great with Hugh Laurie. Again, Laurie is probably not 'acting' at all, House is probably a part of Laurie that he normally keeps in the closet.
So his co-actors, i said any attractive female actress will do, since she hasnt got a lot to do or say, but look nice, stare a bit, act surprised and shocked, which is not a hard thing for any dumb blond. And then she has to be attracted to House, which under these circumstances is also very easy for any dumb blond and in fact for any woman.
They are like that.... they fall for intelligence, status and very direct (MANLY) remarks. They may slap you, but i guarantuee, unless you are totally ugly, they will be wet.
So... chemistry, yes there is chemistry, but not the way you meant it.
Again i say... any attractive, blond 'actress' will do nicely and if you watch the show you can see that:
E1 the blond with the lopsided breasts
E2/3/4 the green eyed beauty
E2/3/4 NOT the 2 blonds in the benches cause there was never any focus on them and NOT the blond 'bitch' because she is a tad less attractive beautywise and she has bitchy words to say and bitchy things to do. House, the character, likes that, but will never love that. But if they make a scene where is vulnerable telling about her dead father and bla bla, you will feel it turn and you will start to feel 'chemistry'. House is a dominant male (the way men are intended to be) and there will only be 'chemistry' with women that are submissive.
Its nature, nothing more.
In a nutshell; since he is so dominant, you can almost put any woman opposit and have 'chemistry'. They dont need 'acting' skills.
You starting to understand or are you still with your head in the clouds thinking love is something devine?

Love.. dammit... didnt want to go there. Id rather think it IS something devine,but it isnt!
And i guess that is why in this period of my life, i like House. Actually i look like the bastard, or he looks like me.
So, you probably like me too huh

You know... what i just said.. its true. Dont treat women mean (men may never be mean!), but be direct and totally blunt, very secure of your intellect and they will slide off of their chairs. Its sad but true.
Try it...

[Erica]

I love house so much and if he was gay i would love him still, same with wilson, but i love them straight too, but now that I think about it, i think house/wilson would be a fun change, it probably wouldnt fall through perminately, but mabey they could show deep love for eachother as best friends, do they have to be gay to do that? they could still be straight, just them caring about eachother or anybody would be such a heartthrob lol, i would love to see either of them open up a little in an episode or two

[blacksnakemoan]

Well, I wrote a REALLY long comment and it got lost. *sigh* The basic component, however, was that you are confusing the actor with the character.

Hugh Laurie may be like his character, having never met him, I don't know. But his comments suggest otherwise. It's not very 'house-like' to say you don't think you deserve an emmy nomination. The character, Gregory House, would be insulted and make sure everyone knew he was insulted (and it would probably be hysterical). But then again, he actually doesn't come up with the things that he says, does he? It's acting, someone else writes it for him.

Even his accent is fake.

At any rate, I know a great many people who are nothing like the characters they portray. Acting is an art form, like dance or opera, you have to practice and some people are naturally good at it. I'm definitely not, I suck, big time, can't act my way out of a paperbag, but I'm okay with that.

To be quite honest, I find you slightly annoying. Originally this debate was about chemistry and if it can come from just anyone, or not. And it can't. My best advice at this point would be to go find an actor and ask. They will tell you the same. Sometimes the chemistry is not there and the show tanks. You can have great actors (and make not mistake, Hugh Laurie is a great actor) but if the chemistry fails ...no one watches.

Really, go ask someone. Perhaps they can explain it better than I can.

[mananthropic]

@bsm > I dont confuse anything here. Learn to read... loop ar earlier postings from me here...

emmy > would decline is he thought (house) he didnt deserve it AND call those people incompetant asses. Who knows wat Hugh Laurie was thinking?
Besides... i said 'as a part of someones personality'... that doesnt mean Laurie is 100% House. Learn to read.

actors > art is very, very, very subjective. You dont want to go there.
The main 2 elements in acting are: memorizing lines and knowing and controlling your body expressing itself. memorizing lines is something that any person can do. Controlling your expression is something different. It can be trained up to a certain point, but the basis for this lies in psychology / circumstances you grew up in. Unless you allready have this -somewhat sick- 'quality' you will be forced to play yourself.
Some empathy may be handy, but thats not even a necessity.
Its not rocket science, not is it a creative proces, an art. The writer creates, some people in the production of a movie or series create, but to say acting is creating, nah...

chemistry is an exact science... not some mysterious thing lovers want to see.
If you cannot find an explanation for things, it doesnt mean there isnt one.

sorry bout your head.

[blacksnakemoan]

Okie doke.

Look, constructive argument, debate ...very cool, very much my thing. Wandering around in circles chasing my tail saying the same thing over and over, not so much.

I would give just about anything to actually see you create a character from words on a page. To say that anyone can do it (and be believable) is ...wow, you're just wrong. Period. I don't know how to put it any more bluntly.

I'm a writer, and when you say a writer creates, you are absolutely right, but to say the actor isn't equally culpable for what happens to that character puts way more responsibility on my shoulders than I'd like. Give a great script to a suck ass actor and, you're screwed. Similarly, give a sucky script to a great actor and there's only so much they can do with it (see the film Bloodrayne for an example of that ...*shudder*)

Actually, chemistry is a science, however, it is something everyone, all over the world, no matter who they are (except for you apparently) look for when they watch movies or television. I'm not talking about relationships in real life because that's a whole different issue.

Anyway, repeating myself again so I'll close.

I actually did what I suggested you do, I went, I asked ...every actor I know their opinion, the overwhelming 'yes, chemistry is important' I got was enough to convince me.

Cheers

[Christy]

Just judging by House's character, he would slap Wilson upside the head if he ever came onto him. That is so uncharacteristic House. House loves, cares for, objectifies, and lusts over women. There is no way the show could afford to throw that big a wrench into the works.

[Shut up]

"Do you think Doctor House should have a romantic relationship with Cameron, Cuddy, or, dare I say it, Doctor Wilson?"

Hugh Laurie: "I suspect that if the show runs long enough, he's gonna run through all of them. What order that unfolds in is not for me to say. I think any of those relationships is, of course, believable. Two people can always find some comfort or attraction, so I think all are possible. I think...yeah, oh boy. Robert might have something to say about it, I don't know how Robert would take that. But you know, I'm game." HL on Inside The Actor's Studio.

Now, unless you're as infinitely talented as Hugh, which includes a Cambridge education, shut up.

[AmZ]

We've seen House in love with a woman; we've also seen him push her away because he knew he didn't love her as much as she deserved. We've seen him buy a female hooker. We've also heard him flirt with men, in the same exact playful way he flirts with women.

There is nothing about House that would indicate that he was completely and irrevocably 100% heterosexual. Just because we've only seen him go to bed with a woman doesn't mean that his entire sexual experience has been with women and only women. If anything, House projects a strong 'bi' vibe - a sort of omnivorousness, where he'll try anything that strikes his fancy.

[mananthropic]

Im very dissapointed in you people, appaled even.

@BSM > "You're just wrong" is not an argument...
"responsibilities on your shoulder"... huh? Are you for real? Of course you are responsible for what you write! Im a writer too, so? Status...
So Hugh Laurie studied... and then what? You actually believe that a piece of paper automatically implies someone is always right??? Where do you get such 'wisdom'? You studied too?
(Who hasnt?)... or is this also a status attempt to empower your false logic?

About the actors sucking > you still dont read what i say.

About the actors saying you need chemistry > Well, what did you expect they'd say? "Acting doenst require any skill at all"??? Isnt 'chemistry' a term we use when we... just dont know what the hell is happening?
So, could it be i am right???
Just think about it... dont take former knowledge or what others say for granted, not even if they are professor in 10 fields, including drama. It doesnt mean that much. People tend to be overwhelmed by status. Status is what it is; status, nothing more. Everybody uses their status in 1 way or another, but i expect, when i discuss something that all status is dropped... that is the only way (among some other conditions) to get to the truth.
Remember.. i didnt say actors cant do a thing...

For all you morons that still think House can be gay:

Yes Laurie said if the show runs long enough, House will have a relationship with all of em... anyone with more than 2 braincells knows what this condition means:
If the show runs long enough, pigs will fly.

Of course, since House is a character which is made up to entertain us -and that he obviously does-, the writers can at any moment decide if he turns gay or not, despite the fact that it totally isnt in character. They are god and im 100% sure, if the show runs long enough.. House WILL be gay!
***and pigs will fly.

Hooray! (if cash flow permits it, you WILL be wright!... fortunately i wont be here then.... i know for sure i wont sit it out till it reaches that point of idiocracy)

Dammit.. try to think you idiots.
You know.. thats the proces where your balls arent directly involved in.
Maybe you remember it from childhood.

[lala]

If the writers actually did make House/Wilson, I'd be as happy as anyone, but I kinda like just reading into the subtext. It's fun =D

[Skull Bearer]

Hpuse/Wilson is so totally going to happen. 'I love you' remember? It's the only House relationship that would actually work, since He and Cameron have nothing in common and he and Cuddy would murder each other after five minutes. Wilson's the only person House can stand.

I would love f